Wow! Thanks!! Amen!!! In our lineage G-dself Is a transpersonal interrelationship, and the Jewish tradition of Talmud - of iron sharpening iron in a holy community, widens and deepens the flow, until all creation, every critter, and the Verb behind all are together in diverse unity. What a wonderful lesson, Cameron+, and what a needed encouragement. Gracias, grazie, gratia, grace and all good to you and all your heart-circle.
Wonderful insights—yes yes yes dialogue—staying with relationships. I share this from my home In Minneapolis. We are deepening relationships and trusting—and yes, pie helps!
True confession, I love the story, but I’m still struggling with the fact that in spite of all the evidence, including a Divine voice, the rabbis insisted on continuing the debate vs entertaining the very strong possibility that Eliezer could be right and that their conversation might be more productive if they shifted their focus and were willing to believe Eliezer was onto something.🤦♀️
I appreciate the importance of staying in relationships and I consider it a beautiful spiritual discipline to practice and I understand…
“Wisdom arises in the space between people who stay in dialogue long enough to be changed by one another.
The rabbis refused miracles not because they disrespected God, but because they respected the field of relationship that had formed among them. They trusted that something wiser could emerge from their shared discernment than from any single voice, even a heavenly one.
The wisdom did not belong to Eliezer.
It did not belong to the majority.
It did not belong to God alone.
It belonged to the relationship between Torah, the rabbis, the people, and God.”
What I struggle with is unlike a conversation about an oven, our topics of discussion have far more devastating consequences and the evidence of those consequences, to me, are indisputable which is what makes staying in conversation so incredibly hard and sometimes seemingly impossible.
But I’ll keep trying… thank you for your encouraging words 💞🙏💞
This is what authority looks like when it refuses to cosplay certainty. No miracles. No dominance. Just people staying in the room long enough for wisdom to show up. If God can laugh and say “my children have defeated me,” maybe we can survive disagreement without turning each other into enemies. Staying is the work.
Larger perspective...
wider focus, listen, learn.
Not solos, chorus.
Oh, and I love the painting! What I’m most curious about is the woman… I would so love to know what she’s thinking!
Wow! Thanks!! Amen!!! In our lineage G-dself Is a transpersonal interrelationship, and the Jewish tradition of Talmud - of iron sharpening iron in a holy community, widens and deepens the flow, until all creation, every critter, and the Verb behind all are together in diverse unity. What a wonderful lesson, Cameron+, and what a needed encouragement. Gracias, grazie, gratia, grace and all good to you and all your heart-circle.
Wonderful insights—yes yes yes dialogue—staying with relationships. I share this from my home In Minneapolis. We are deepening relationships and trusting—and yes, pie helps!
https://open.substack.com/pub/davidofallon/p/82-and-not-confused?r
True confession, I love the story, but I’m still struggling with the fact that in spite of all the evidence, including a Divine voice, the rabbis insisted on continuing the debate vs entertaining the very strong possibility that Eliezer could be right and that their conversation might be more productive if they shifted their focus and were willing to believe Eliezer was onto something.🤦♀️
I appreciate the importance of staying in relationships and I consider it a beautiful spiritual discipline to practice and I understand…
“Wisdom arises in the space between people who stay in dialogue long enough to be changed by one another.
The rabbis refused miracles not because they disrespected God, but because they respected the field of relationship that had formed among them. They trusted that something wiser could emerge from their shared discernment than from any single voice, even a heavenly one.
The wisdom did not belong to Eliezer.
It did not belong to the majority.
It did not belong to God alone.
It belonged to the relationship between Torah, the rabbis, the people, and God.”
What I struggle with is unlike a conversation about an oven, our topics of discussion have far more devastating consequences and the evidence of those consequences, to me, are indisputable which is what makes staying in conversation so incredibly hard and sometimes seemingly impossible.
But I’ll keep trying… thank you for your encouraging words 💞🙏💞
This is what authority looks like when it refuses to cosplay certainty. No miracles. No dominance. Just people staying in the room long enough for wisdom to show up. If God can laugh and say “my children have defeated me,” maybe we can survive disagreement without turning each other into enemies. Staying is the work.
Thank you for this, dear Cameron.